Discussion in 'Zelda: SERIOUS BUSINESS' started by Invader Zim, Aug 26, 2011.
He couldn't look less like Ganondorf.
Yeah, I stand corrected. I wasn't thinking straight at the time, now that I'm looking at them both again.
Uh, he looks plenty like Ganondorf to me.
No he doesn't. Ganondorf has eyebrows, is green, not on fire, has a really pointy nose, has pointy ears, has normal shaped lips.
Renado looks more like Demise than Ganon.
Ganon has a pretty flat nose in more recent titles it's been change from long and pointy to big. In fact the Ganon's nose in TP looks almost Identical to Demise's.
Eyebrows shmyebrows. Ganondorf is human. Demise is not.
I'll give you the green skin.
Ganondorf has identical ears to Demise in OoT.
They both have pronounced lips,
Ganon has swept back fiery red hair with huge mutton chops. Demise has literal fire hair swept back and huge fire mutton chops.
I think it's pretty obvious Demise is intended to resemble Ganon.
The HH mentions specifically that Ganon's nose is 'long and birdlike'. Demise's actually couldn't be rounder. He's like someone with a particularly round nose got in a fight with a guy whose hands were shaped like round noses and he was punched in the nose. Ganon's has always been pointed.
Then your entire argument about resemblance is invalid.
Ganon has round ears as a Gerudo, because Gerudo have round ears, then in the Adult section and in all later games, after he ahs become a demon, his ears turn pointy. So to symbolise him becoming more like Demise his ears turn to less like Demise? Good one.
Except that Ganon has never had pronounced lips- going even so far as having basically no lips in his human appearances.
His fire hair isn't swept back- it's straight upwards. Also, Ganon has never had particularly pervasive mutton chops. He had small normal beardless hair in OoT, and then a full beard in later titles. Never mutton chops.
Except for all the design choices which make him not resemble Ganon. Like, all of them. He is a generic male character. There is nothing that suggests he is more Gannony than any other character.
While talking about OoT Ganondorf's character design.
You are being far too cynical.
I see lips.
Those are Identical to Demise's sideburns. And Demise's hair is clearly swept back.
You were among the first around here to point out his resemblance to Ganon, so I really don't know why we're having this argument .
Because now I have seen him in the actual game and have seen more than a single piece of artwork and so I can now see he is no more Ganon in appearance than Renaldo, or Gaepora, or Darunia, or any other male in the series.
I just don't see it. If they had wanted to make him look like Ganondorf, they would have made him look like Ganondorf. Instead, they took his main features, ie: the green skin, bushy brows, pointy nose, the only Gerudo with pointed ears, and then did the complete opposite.
I agree with LSB on this one. Demise really has that familiarity that screams Ganondorf. Nitpicking on things that really are different is just finding an excuse. The build, the dark skin, the fiery hair, it fits.
Demise, after fighting him in-game, actually looks more like Ganondorf to me. The whole pointy ear thing isn't a valid argument because technically the same person has both round and pointy ears.
Except it doesn't fit. The buid is different. The skin is different. The hair is different. It's harder to find anything that's the same, so how the hell is the reverse nitpicking? Everything is different.
He is a muscular male. That is all.
Dark tone of skin, orange hair, mutton chops, big rounded ears (OoT), big nose, style of dialogue and movement, etc.
Of course he's not Ganondorf, but there was clearly some resemblances drawn in in the art.
Dark tone of skin? Really? Bluey red, versus green. They actually couldn't possibly be more different. But then, you didn't think Gondo wasn't black Demise's hair is as blue as often as it is orange, and it's also fire. And in a style a Ganondorf has never had. Also missing those massive eyebrows that were always far more prominent than Ganon's mutton chops. About the ears- see what I said before, "Ganon has round ears as a Gerudo, because Gerudo have round ears, then in the Adult section and in all later games, after he has become a demon, his ears turn pointy. So to symbolise him becoming more like Demise his ears turn to less like Demise? Good one."
The nose, again, is completely different- very very rounded as Demise and specifically mentioned in canon to be very very pointy as Ganon. And dialogue and movement? Really? That has nothing to do with appearance, and also how else would you have an evil guy speak?
Again, I disagree entirely. I think they went out of their way to make him the most neutral, not indicative, generic evil big bad man possible.
What GR is pointing out is that of course Demise isn't Ganondorf, they're two different persons. Of course there'll be huge obvious differences. Pointing them out doesn't support that there are no similarities. The similarities ARE there, as opposed to the other villains of the Zelda world.
If we're going similarities, Mallafus features far more than Ganon. I know we don't see Malladus' true form per se, but the forms we do see have Demise's red and yellow eyes, Demise's glowy weak spot on the head, Demise's broad flat nose, Demise's hair far more simar than Ganon's ever was etc.
I say again- the resemblance is only that Demise and Ganondorf are both muscular and male. Literally everything else is a difference.
Why would Demise and Ganondorf look very much the same even if Ganondorf was Demise's mortal form? Demise mentions that SS Zelda pales in comparison to Hylia's goddess form. If Ganondorf was Demise's mortal form, he would most likely also pale in comparison, if even have any resemblance at all.
^In addition, Demise's description says he appears different in every era, meaning if you think Ganon IS Demise, you should argue that he looks different, rather than the same.
I was arguing that of course he looks different, but has that similarity (muscular and male).
I wouldn't take this too literally. I think he was just disrespecting mortals, and pointing out that she had a better appearance as a goddess. Also, Ganon has less muscle mass and his hair isn't on fire, so it does pale in comparison I suppose.
Same voice actor, variations of the same theme music, both adept sword wielders, connection to Old Hyrule and the Triforce, weak only against the Master Sword.
The developers usually make the same argument for Links. This is just an in-universe acknowledgement of the idea.
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