Shady Mirrors

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  1. River Zora Gimmicky and niche.

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    If Ganon II is born from original Ganon's Malice then he wouldn't need to have the Trident to become Ganon. Problem returned.
    River Zora, Feb 16, 2012
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  2. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    Shit.

    Maybe he needed to find his own power to awaken his inner Malice?

    I'm sure we can get to a conclusion if we just keep riffing ideas.
    Little Stomp Box, Feb 16, 2012
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  3. River Zora Gimmicky and niche.

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    OR... maybe the Historia isn't perfect and has contradictions and errors which should be ignored/brushed over with regards to the overall narrative...
    River Zora, Feb 16, 2012
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  4. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    Well yeah but can't we try to come up with an answer? Just for fun.
    Little Stomp Box, Feb 16, 2012
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  5. River Zora Gimmicky and niche.

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    Well, we can, but it would be wrong :P
    River Zora, Feb 16, 2012
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  6. Seran Aileron Global Moderator

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    Ganon got the trident before Vaati was released (since the Four Sword Sanctuary/Royal Jewels are corrupted before Vaati is released).

    It's clear that "Ganon" the trident wielder was the one who visited the Forest Temple to get the Dark Mirror (meanwhile Ganon stole the trident as "Ganondorf"), and from there created Shadow Link, and both of those things definitely happened before Vaati was released.

    Also, the express reason why Ganon released Vaati was to steal power from the Hyruleans.
    Seran Aileron, Feb 16, 2012
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  7. River Zora Gimmicky and niche.

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    ^ What? I thought it said explicitly that Vaati was a distraction so Ganon could steal the Trident, and that he didn't manage until right at the end?
    River Zora, Feb 16, 2012
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  8. Seran Aileron Global Moderator

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    No?

    The Tower of Winds was gone before the game started, yo.

    Also

    Seran Aileron, Feb 16, 2012
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  9. River Zora Gimmicky and niche.

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    Huh. Whaddya know.
    River Zora, Feb 16, 2012
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  10. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    Hooray my theory is saved!

    .....Or is it?
    Little Stomp Box, Feb 16, 2012
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  11. Gestalt "Galsult the Gaslut" Replicant The Moon is red...red like wine.

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    So the Tower of Winds is a magical tower that connects to the sky that's connected to a sword shrine? That sounds way too much like TWW's Tower of the Gods.
    Gestalt "Galsult the Gaslut" Replicant, Feb 16, 2012
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  12. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    That's what I was getting at. The Temple of Time dungeon in TP is also vertically very tall, and is very similar to the Tower of the Gods in puzzle and general themes.
    Little Stomp Box, Feb 16, 2012
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  13. Argent فضة 银

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    Okay, here's what I'm thinking:

    Ganondorf is born and later takes the Trident. The Trident awakens Ganon's Malice within him and brings his inner evil outward (turns him into his beast form). The Trident may have contained Ganon's Malice in a similar way to the Master Sword containing Demise's Hatred. Either way, Ganon then looks into the Dark Mirror and Ganon's Malice is given its literal form of Link's opposite (the beast form isn't its literal form because it's basically Shadow Link + Ganondorf merged into one).

    So Ganon's Malice = Shadow Link, and the Dark Mirror gave it form.

    And Beast Ganon = Ganondorf + Ganon's Malice = Ganondorf + Shadow Link.

    What if Dark Link in OoT is the result of Demise's Hatred escaping the Master Sword since Demise's Hatred = Ganon's Malice?

    Also, if Dark Link = Ganon's Malice/Demise's Hatred, then Link's battle with Dark Link at the end of AoL could potentially be the end of all evil, making a nice end to the DT.
    Argent, Feb 16, 2012
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  14. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    What about Phantom Ganon in that game? Is he a specter of the previous Ganon or the new one?
    Little Stomp Box, Feb 16, 2012
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  15. Argent فضة 银

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    He's a phantom created by Ganondorf.
    I don't think it's worth anything to say it's the Phantom Ganon from the previous Ganon. If the last Ganon could create one, so could the new one. :P
    Argent, Feb 16, 2012
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  16. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    Well right, I just didn't know if it was a Dark Mirror creation, like the Shadow Links.
    Little Stomp Box, Feb 16, 2012
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  17. Gestalt "Galsult the Gaslut" Replicant The Moon is red...red like wine.

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    I already said that the Tower of the Gods and the TP ToT dungeon were the same months ago and got my ass laughed out of the discussion. XD
    Gestalt "Galsult the Gaslut" Replicant, Feb 16, 2012
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  18. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    What why? That's a super popular theory. If any two dungeons without the same name are the same place it's them.

    The Mirror of Darkness

    This mirror reflects the evil heart of its user, birthing demons. Imprisoning the creatures of darkness that once attacked Hyrule, it was hidden within a temple to deprive it of any connection with the Dark World.

    The Mirror "births" demons, and it needs to be deprived of a connection to the DW. Perhaps this DW is the underworld where demons originate? It could also be connected to ST's DW.
    Little Stomp Box, Apr 16, 2012
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  19. I AM ERROR ONLY ERROR CAN DEFEAT GANNON

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    They also seem to link the Mirror with the previous Ganondorf, through the Shadow Links.
    I AM ERROR, Apr 16, 2012
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  20. Little Stomp Box Is that the plan?

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    Yes. Which still confuzzles me a bit. We witness previous Ganon's death in this Timeline when would he have time to come into contact with the DM?
    Little Stomp Box, Apr 16, 2012
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